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		<title>By: online sinema</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>online sinema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. You’re right.</description>
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		<title>By: Kit Krash</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit Krash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed the lecture at the Korzybski Memorial.  A lot of thoughts that I have had from similar experiences seem to overlap with yours.  I miss the alternate economies and diy quality of life of the late eighties/early nineties New York City. 

It is a shame that GS is tied in with NLP as they have very little to do with each other in purpose and design.  GS is a way to be aware and let go of doctrines and patterns so you can look at things from a more objective perspective.  Books by Hayakawa, for example are more about society and have very little to do with self-help.  Even books by Albert Ellis and Wendel Johnson which take a psychological perspective are more about letting go of abstractions and vagueness and looking at things as objectively as possible.  

While NLP is full of vague ideas and doctrine and is about creating new abstractions in the mind.  It replaces observation and listening with &#039;rapport&#039; and &#039;anchoring.&#039;  While GS is about removing as much delusion as one can, NLP is about replacing one delusion with another.  That is because NLP is about self-help rather than about improving society.  It could be argued that improving the self will over time improve society, but history has shown this does not appear to be the case.  The concept &#039;improvement&#039; is itself an abstraction.  How do you define an improvement anyway?

Some ideas like &#039;modalities&#039; are really ridiculous.  It defines people as &#039;ear&#039; people and &#039;eye&#039; people, etc.  This is actually the opposite of GS which tries to let go of the &#039;is&#039; of identification.  If you are trying to find a persons modality, you are filtering your observation of them and not really seeing them as they actually might be.  You are fitting them into a construct, a little box while real people are very complex, multi-modal human beings.  

Now, when you look up GS in Wikipedia, you get NLP books in the suggested reading list.  This tends to redirect people because the &#039;self,&#039; being interested in the &#039;self-survival&#039; will be naturally drawn to &#039;self-help&#039; and will completely miss out on the more society oriented General Semantics ideas and concepts.  That&#039;s what I call &#039;self-defeating.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed the lecture at the Korzybski Memorial.  A lot of thoughts that I have had from similar experiences seem to overlap with yours.  I miss the alternate economies and diy quality of life of the late eighties/early nineties New York City. </p>
<p>It is a shame that GS is tied in with NLP as they have very little to do with each other in purpose and design.  GS is a way to be aware and let go of doctrines and patterns so you can look at things from a more objective perspective.  Books by Hayakawa, for example are more about society and have very little to do with self-help.  Even books by Albert Ellis and Wendel Johnson which take a psychological perspective are more about letting go of abstractions and vagueness and looking at things as objectively as possible.  </p>
<p>While NLP is full of vague ideas and doctrine and is about creating new abstractions in the mind.  It replaces observation and listening with &#8216;rapport&#8217; and &#8216;anchoring.&#8217;  While GS is about removing as much delusion as one can, NLP is about replacing one delusion with another.  That is because NLP is about self-help rather than about improving society.  It could be argued that improving the self will over time improve society, but history has shown this does not appear to be the case.  The concept &#8216;improvement&#8217; is itself an abstraction.  How do you define an improvement anyway?</p>
<p>Some ideas like &#8216;modalities&#8217; are really ridiculous.  It defines people as &#8216;ear&#8217; people and &#8216;eye&#8217; people, etc.  This is actually the opposite of GS which tries to let go of the &#8216;is&#8217; of identification.  If you are trying to find a persons modality, you are filtering your observation of them and not really seeing them as they actually might be.  You are fitting them into a construct, a little box while real people are very complex, multi-modal human beings.  </p>
<p>Now, when you look up GS in Wikipedia, you get NLP books in the suggested reading list.  This tends to redirect people because the &#8217;self,&#8217; being interested in the &#8217;self-survival&#8217; will be naturally drawn to &#8217;self-help&#8217; and will completely miss out on the more society oriented General Semantics ideas and concepts.  That&#8217;s what I call &#8217;self-defeating.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quit smoking using NLP, so that seems to appearas a benefit not just to me but anyone else around me, right? I can think of my daughter and wife as benefitting as well, plus I am able to afford a computer and upgrade it regularly rather than spend thousands on cigarettes every year, makes me think that has a social effect as well. Good talk you did for GS, look forward to your symbolic representations on pieces of paper or electrons in the stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit smoking using NLP, so that seems to appearas a benefit not just to me but anyone else around me, right? I can think of my daughter and wife as benefitting as well, plus I am able to afford a computer and upgrade it regularly rather than spend thousands on cigarettes every year, makes me think that has a social effect as well. Good talk you did for GS, look forward to your symbolic representations on pieces of paper or electrons in the stream.</p>
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		<title>By: mason</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Steven,

All the worlds share attributes and roots, that is how they work together. Well said!

Keep on playing those

MIND GAMES
                            By
                         John Lennon

                       C      G6/B  Am   C/G
  We&#039;re playing these mind games together
                 Fmaj7  C/E      D     D/C
  pushing the barriers planting seeds.
  playing the mind guerrilla
  chanting the mantra peace on earth.
  We all been  playing those mind games forever
  some kinda druid dudes  lifting the veil.
  Doing the mind guerrilla
  some call it magic the search for the grail.

   C   D        G G/F    Em             G/D         D
  Love is the answer and you know that        for sure.
  Love is a   flower  you gotta let it you gotta let it grow


  So keep  on playing those mind games together
  faith in the future  outta the now.
  You just can&#039;t beat on those mind guerrillas
  Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind.
  Yeah we&#039;re playing those mind games forever
  projecting our images in space and in time.

  Love is the answer and you know that        for sure..
  Love is surrender you gotta let it you gotta let it go.

  So keep  on playing those mind games together
  doing the ritual dance in the sun.
  Millions of mind guerrillas
  putting their soul power to the Karmic wheel.
  Keep on playing those mind games forever
  raising the spirits of peace and love.



   C        G6/B    Am  C/G  Fmaj 7 C/E  D  D/C
  Love
  I want you to make love , not war,
  i know you&#039;ve heard it before.



  NOTE: As you can see this Lennon song ain&#039;t as hard as it looks. First of all there are two chord progressions:
        the one for the verse:( C  G6/B Am  C/G Fmaj7  C/E  D  D/C),
        and the one for the chorus:( C D G  G/F Em  G/D D).I suggest
        to listen to the song so that you can get the chord changes
        and the timing.By the way the song it&#039;s in the key of C.
        If anyone gets confuse with this transcription send me a mail
        to :

            Z10CC@CUNNYVM.EDU

        P.S.  Check out my first posted song LOVE by John Lennon.


                                      hope you enjoy it ;

                                                         Victor Perez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Steven,</p>
<p>All the worlds share attributes and roots, that is how they work together. Well said!</p>
<p>Keep on playing those</p>
<p>MIND GAMES<br />
                            By<br />
                         John Lennon</p>
<p>                       C      G6/B  Am   C/G<br />
  We&#8217;re playing these mind games together<br />
                 Fmaj7  C/E      D     D/C<br />
  pushing the barriers planting seeds.<br />
  playing the mind guerrilla<br />
  chanting the mantra peace on earth.<br />
  We all been  playing those mind games forever<br />
  some kinda druid dudes  lifting the veil.<br />
  Doing the mind guerrilla<br />
  some call it magic the search for the grail.</p>
<p>   C   D        G G/F    Em             G/D         D<br />
  Love is the answer and you know that        for sure.<br />
  Love is a   flower  you gotta let it you gotta let it grow</p>
<p>  So keep  on playing those mind games together<br />
  faith in the future  outta the now.<br />
  You just can&#8217;t beat on those mind guerrillas<br />
  Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind.<br />
  Yeah we&#8217;re playing those mind games forever<br />
  projecting our images in space and in time.</p>
<p>  Love is the answer and you know that        for sure..<br />
  Love is surrender you gotta let it you gotta let it go.</p>
<p>  So keep  on playing those mind games together<br />
  doing the ritual dance in the sun.<br />
  Millions of mind guerrillas<br />
  putting their soul power to the Karmic wheel.<br />
  Keep on playing those mind games forever<br />
  raising the spirits of peace and love.</p>
<p>   C        G6/B    Am  C/G  Fmaj 7 C/E  D  D/C<br />
  Love<br />
  I want you to make love , not war,<br />
  i know you&#8217;ve heard it before.</p>
<p>  NOTE: As you can see this Lennon song ain&#8217;t as hard as it looks. First of all there are two chord progressions:<br />
        the one for the verse:( C  G6/B Am  C/G Fmaj7  C/E  D  D/C),<br />
        and the one for the chorus:( C D G  G/F Em  G/D D).I suggest<br />
        to listen to the song so that you can get the chord changes<br />
        and the timing.By the way the song it&#8217;s in the key of C.<br />
        If anyone gets confuse with this transcription send me a mail<br />
        to :</p>
<p>            <a href="mailto:%5A%31%30%43%43%40%43%55%4E%4E%59%56%4D%2E%45%44%55"><span id="emob-M10PP@PHAALIZ.RQH-18">Z10CC {at} CUNNYVM(.)EDU</span><script type="text/javascript">
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<p>        P.S.  Check out my first posted song LOVE by John Lennon.</p>
<p>                                      hope you enjoy it ;</p>
<p>                                                         Victor Perez</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Kruyswijk</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Kruyswijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the best summary I&#039;ve seen on Life is a Cosmic Game, with special regard to Earth is tinyurl.com/supermarioearth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the best summary I&#8217;ve seen on Life is a Cosmic Game, with special regard to Earth is <a href="http://tinyurl.com/supermarioearth." title="http://tinyurl.com/supermarioearth." target="_blank">tinyurl.com/supermarioearth.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Kruyswijk</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Kruyswijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick brainfart re:how do we achieve agency to change the world:

We realize that this world is not *the* world, but *a* world, just like many different levels of many different games on many different platforms. The idea that this is *the* world, that life started just here and should propagate into space from here into an until-then dead universe, is causing us way too much performance anxiety.

I&#039;ve read some really good esoteric stuff lately (mostly tinyurl.com/dwbooks), and time after time it confirms the validity of the life-is-a-game model. 

Huizinga FTW!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick brainfart re:how do we achieve agency to change the world:</p>
<p>We realize that this world is not *the* world, but *a* world, just like many different levels of many different games on many different platforms. The idea that this is *the* world, that life started just here and should propagate into space from here into an until-then dead universe, is causing us way too much performance anxiety.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read some really good esoteric stuff lately (mostly <a href="http://tinyurl.com/dwbooks" title="http://tinyurl.com/dwbooks" target="_blank">tinyurl.com/dwbooks</a>), and time after time it confirms the validity of the life-is-a-game model. </p>
<p>Huizinga FTW!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mason</title>
		<link>http://rushkoff.com/2008/11/18/dont-change-your-self-change-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Bobby. I&#039;ve listened to Doug&#039;s talk three times now, on my back with my eyes closed. 

I am not familiar with the NLP technology or construct, PA, but i have found Doug&#039;s talk very musical, very well structured and powerful. 

Personally, i am persuaded by myself, Douglas and Krishnamurti et al that certain cultures seem to have over-complicated the construct of the self.  I observe this in our culture as a means of control. The real questions about self are quite simple. Moreover, as Doug suggests, even if we were to follow Maslow strictly, not only have we lifted ourselves from terra firma, but we have not seen to the basic needs of the many. Lastly, we may appear to have seen to our own basic needs, but this is not true. We have only managed to follow the rules and serve the demands of our social and economic construct.  Moreover, having done this, we are still rather deficient in our emotional and social development.

All of this is implied in Douglas&#039; talk.

I am with you tho, PA, in feeling there is a value to the proper foundation, development (praxis) and peak of Maslow&#039;s thought. The sooner we identify and properly name foundational elements, the sooner we can re engineer the development of resources and self.  All of this is our collective work. 

Actualisation results from needing, developing, satisfying, managing, teaching and or providing. It is finding the core attribute of one&#039;s special connection to the creator/rule-giver, the special gift that made self and all the actions of that self manifest in the world. Then that refracts understanding, knowledge and wisdom back through all the other attributes and roots in all the other created things, ending with unity. The true unity with self is unity with the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Bobby. I&#8217;ve listened to Doug&#8217;s talk three times now, on my back with my eyes closed. </p>
<p>I am not familiar with the NLP technology or construct, PA, but i have found Doug&#8217;s talk very musical, very well structured and powerful. </p>
<p>Personally, i am persuaded by myself, Douglas and Krishnamurti et al that certain cultures seem to have over-complicated the construct of the self.  I observe this in our culture as a means of control. The real questions about self are quite simple. Moreover, as Doug suggests, even if we were to follow Maslow strictly, not only have we lifted ourselves from terra firma, but we have not seen to the basic needs of the many. Lastly, we may appear to have seen to our own basic needs, but this is not true. We have only managed to follow the rules and serve the demands of our social and economic construct.  Moreover, having done this, we are still rather deficient in our emotional and social development.</p>
<p>All of this is implied in Douglas&#8217; talk.</p>
<p>I am with you tho, PA, in feeling there is a value to the proper foundation, development (praxis) and peak of Maslow&#8217;s thought. The sooner we identify and properly name foundational elements, the sooner we can re engineer the development of resources and self.  All of this is our collective work. </p>
<p>Actualisation results from needing, developing, satisfying, managing, teaching and or providing. It is finding the core attribute of one&#8217;s special connection to the creator/rule-giver, the special gift that made self and all the actions of that self manifest in the world. Then that refracts understanding, knowledge and wisdom back through all the other attributes and roots in all the other created things, ending with unity. The true unity with self is unity with the world</p>
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		<title>By: Propaganda Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Propaganda Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good talk. Though, I wasn&#039;t completely diggin on the slight poo-pooing of NLP. Many have used it in dumb or coercive ways, but I think cats like RAW used it for Intelligence Increase purposes. GS and NLP were and can be used in complementary ways.
  I think you were using some form of NLP during your masterful talk. PAcing and Leading, like as Jah Furry remarked, a jazz performer to keep the audience and attentive for the duration.
   Also, I am very much into the message of getting over oneself to help each other. But I think the statement, &#039;There is no Self&#039; is a bit off course. 
   You mentioned MAslow&#039;s pyramid of self-actualization as if it was possibly a bad thing. If that was your intention, then I disagree. 
  Along the spectrum of development, One&#039;s Self motivations, I think, eventually coincide with that of the Collective. 
   If one does enough work on the self, then the group becomes a major priority. That&#039;s the way it has worked in my life, as well as some others that I know. 
   The work on self pertaining to one&#039;s search and aspirations towards something more than what the corporatized society offers.
   PErhaps, this is just a semantic disagreement, but I feel compelled to voice it. 
   Besides that man, I&#039;m super psyched to read the new book, and very much agree with the great Bobby Campbell 
on truly enjoying the development of your philosophy.
  PEACE Doug
 PRop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good talk. Though, I wasn&#8217;t completely diggin on the slight poo-pooing of NLP. Many have used it in dumb or coercive ways, but I think cats like RAW used it for Intelligence Increase purposes. GS and NLP were and can be used in complementary ways.<br />
  I think you were using some form of NLP during your masterful talk. PAcing and Leading, like as Jah Furry remarked, a jazz performer to keep the audience and attentive for the duration.<br />
   Also, I am very much into the message of getting over oneself to help each other. But I think the statement, &#8216;There is no Self&#8217; is a bit off course.<br />
   You mentioned MAslow&#8217;s pyramid of self-actualization as if it was possibly a bad thing. If that was your intention, then I disagree.<br />
  Along the spectrum of development, One&#8217;s Self motivations, I think, eventually coincide with that of the Collective.<br />
   If one does enough work on the self, then the group becomes a major priority. That&#8217;s the way it has worked in my life, as well as some others that I know.<br />
   The work on self pertaining to one&#8217;s search and aspirations towards something more than what the corporatized society offers.<br />
   PErhaps, this is just a semantic disagreement, but I feel compelled to voice it.<br />
   Besides that man, I&#8217;m super psyched to read the new book, and very much agree with the great Bobby Campbell<br />
on truly enjoying the development of your philosophy.<br />
  PEACE Doug<br />
 PRop!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is fun to get to follow along w/ your theoretical narrative as it develops, rather than most of my other favorites whom have completed theirs and moved on to realities otherwise. GREAT WORK!

Also just to throw this out in the mediasphere, I have so much more use for audio content than any other sort.  I don&#039;t have very much eyeball time to spare during any given day, but my ears remain wide open and rather hungry for quality information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is fun to get to follow along w/ your theoretical narrative as it develops, rather than most of my other favorites whom have completed theirs and moved on to realities otherwise. GREAT WORK!</p>
<p>Also just to throw this out in the mediasphere, I have so much more use for audio content than any other sort.  I don&#8217;t have very much eyeball time to spare during any given day, but my ears remain wide open and rather hungry for quality information.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Frith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Frith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Douglas. Looking forward to listening to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Douglas. Looking forward to listening to this.</p>
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