Corporations as Uber-Citizens

Yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling was positive in one respect: it made law out of what was already happening. While corporations earned “personhood” back in the 1860’s when a court clerk (likely bribed) added this language into the margins of another court decision, they never quite had the rights of citizenship before. They already write our laws (through lobbies) elect our leaders (with money) and create public opinion (with money and PR). If you’re interested in how and why that happened, please read my book Life Inc. But they have always tended to do so by working around government’s efforts to limit their influence.

It was a losing game for a government by the people, of course, because almost no one gets into office without the kind of corporate assistance they need to pay back if they want to get into office again. Meanwhile, while corporations have enjoyed the benefits of personhood for over a century, they don’t suffer the main pitfalls: chiefly, death – but also despair, fatigue, and the need to feed their kids. They could outrun or at least outlast any effort to curb their influence. That’s how the railroads got to trample States’ rights to their own land, how GE got out of cleaning the Hudson River, and so on. They just wait, make a little progress, and then wait some more.

The era of Obama seemed to promise something different. Here was candidate who, at least initially, raised more cash through decentralized means than by appealing to large centralized corporations. As a candidate funded through small donations by real people, he seemed to offer an antidote to business as usual. If a couple of hundred million people donating small amounts could, in aggregate, raise more money than a couple of hundred mega-corporations, then democracy stood a chance even as the PR and money driven spectacle it has become. Of course, Obama’s later donations turned out to be just as corporate as anyone else’s (if for no other reason than that they smelled a winner), and his hands almost as tied. He raised so much, he rejected the campaign finance tenets he had promised to adhere to back when he thought he’d be the underfunded candidate.

But the lasting sense was still that real people might be able to exercise at least some influence over who gets elected to office. Maybe, just maybe, the net and a new spirit of participation could play some small role in the democratic process and even make incremental progress in developing campaign finance reforms. Meanwhile, over the last thirty years, legislators on both sides of the aisle have sought to free themselves of corporate influence, and passed what legislation they could limiting corporate campaign contributions (especially by non-humans).

Luckily for corporations, the activist justices appointed by an earlier version of our corporatist government (the Bush 2 regime) have decided to reverse this process. Instead of acting as as stopgap to preserve constitutional rights, they are serving as a new legislative branch – rewriting the law by declaring it unconstitutional. It is a violation of corporations’ civil liberties to limit their influence over the political process. Even though they are artificial entities, with greater access to capital, infinite longevity, and no interest in or connection to humanity, we now guarantee them the right of free speech.

Of course, the right of free speech was created in order for human beings to have the ability to talk back to the corporation – the British East India Trading Company – that was running the colonies before the Revolutionary War. And it was upheld a century later so that laborers could organize unions or speak out against industrial abuses without fear of getting killed. (Even though most unions, perhaps predictably, ended up becoming as abstracted as the corporations they were created to counteract.) Freedom of speech was intended a way for human beings to guarantee their ability speak out against largely systemic and structural repression. Now, that structural repression itself has that same guarantee.

All this does is make centralized government even less relevant to our plight as human beings. I admire folks like Larry Lessig for their faith in our ability to reclaim a government by the people, to use the net to expose and even reverse corporate influence in the political process, and for us to legislate a commons back into human affairs (even though it has been on the decline for the past 600 years).

But I’ve got more faith in our ability, as people, to rebuild our society and economy from the bottom up, without the participation or approval of a corporate-funded and corporate-driven central government. We can rebuild local economies based on the abundance of our labor and resources rather than the scarcity of centrally issued currency. We can rebuild local agriculture based on the quality of the topsoil, the features of the climate, and the nutritional needs of people rather than corn lobby laws. And we can rebuild our mechanisms for making meaning based on our shared hopes and values rather than those developed by PR firms to make us compete for false, individualistic goals.

In short, I say screw ‘em. Let’s do this ourselves.

Posted on 22 January '10 by Douglas, under Uncategorized.

42 Comments to “Corporations as Uber-Citizens”

#1 Posted by Vaneeesa Blaylock (22.01.10 at 11:52 )

It’s depressing stuff. But yes, I think Lessig is right on this. I’m not sure if you think he can succeed… I’m not at all sure I think he (we) can succeed… but if we don’t try we’ve already failed… so, as the man says, let’s “Change Congress”

http://action.change-congress.org/page/invite/yearone?utm_source=full&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100120

#2 Posted by MrJM (22.01.10 at 13:02 )

“In short, I say screw ‘em. Let’s do this ourselves.”

I believe that is the very premise of democratic government.

If you are suggesting some other form of self-regulation, I would welcome any examples, even imperfect ones.

– MrJM

#3 Posted by mika. (22.01.10 at 13:12 )

Doug,

I’m glad to see that you’re starting to perceive the cold reality for what it is. Fascism with a smile is still fascism.

#4 Posted by jakehow (22.01.10 at 14:07 )

Hey Doug,

“Corporations” in the simplest sense are just groups of people acting together (usually towards shared goals). This is not bad or evil in and of itself. “Corpratism” as I would define it is the partnership/collusion between some of these groups and the state.

I do not believe we can or should stop cooperation between people, and placing limits on which actions cooperating groups are allowed to take is just as wrong as placing those restrictions on the people themselves.

There are many, many things wrong with the way we treat corporations here today, but this usually has to do with the privilege granted to many to be free from law and regulation that individuals and other groups of individuals who are not in partnership with the state are bound by.

#5 Posted by rushkoff (22.01.10 at 15:23 )

You should read Life Inc. That’s the word I used to describe it. The original title of the book, in fact, was “How the Fascists Won the War.”

Here’s a snip from Justice Kennedy’s dissent. Kind of chilling:

The unparalleled resources, professional lobbyists, and single­ minded focus they bring to this effort, I believed, make quid pro quo corruption and its appearance inherently more likely when they (or their conduits or trade groups) spend unrestricted sums on elections.
It is with regret rather than satisfaction that I can now say that time has borne out my concerns.

#6 Posted by Mark (22.01.10 at 15:38 )

I appreciate this Doug, and at the risk of sounding obvious I think we need to emphasize that we do need to be actively involved. I think we have a very deep conditioning to just be intellectual observers – one can read what you have to say and agree, give a thumbs up and go on doing exactly the same thing as we’ve always done as unconscious zombies, in spite of having received this information.

It’s one thing to have a common goal, but most of the time “hope” is spoken of these days seem to be accompanied by this kind of passivity. I recently heard a definition of the word as a ‘longing for a future condition over which you have no agency.’ If we keep putting our faith in others and don’t start doing for ourselves, none of this information will do any good.

#7 Posted by mika. (22.01.10 at 16:46 )

I’m waiting for your personally autographed copy to arrive at my email box, Doug. :D

#8 Posted by Almb (22.01.10 at 17:01 )

Doug:

I confess to being halfway through Life Inc. Great book thus far. I am also a huge fan of your docs on Frontline. However, I have to say there is a certain amount of naivete that runs through this posting. Although, I think, you accurately identify the problem, that is too much corporate influence on government and public affairs, your solution would not solve the problem. In societies as complex as the U.S. the only way systemic issues like inequality and climate change are going to be solved is through governments coordinating and implementing programs designed to alleviate those problems.

Buying locally and bartering are great ideas. I am trying to do more of that in my own life. However, I also recognize that is it through politics and government that progress is achieved. Unfortunately it is still governments, in the 21st century, that can provide the necessary counter balance to large corporations. Witness Obama’s attempts this week at reforming big banks. That will have real impact on the lives of the broad middle class if it ever comes to pass. Reformers since the 19th century have recognized this.

Martin Luther King knew that in order for civil rights legislation to more forward he had to engage the political process in a nonviolent holistic fashion. That achieved real results. It is not a pleasant task to say the least. But it is still the most effect route to real change.

Best,

Alex in Toronto.

#9 Posted by Liberty For ALL! (22.01.10 at 22:05 )

Good article, touching on many recent thoughts I had — except the bogus reference to democracy, since the united States has never been one. (it is a Constitutional Republic)

So a solution would be for every Citizen and/or family to also incorporate, in efforts to mend the “deficiencies” of being a flesh and blood person?

#10 Posted by TheGaffer (23.01.10 at 01:34 )

That was so Wingman of you. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXOwWC48PM&fmt=22

#11 Posted by Guy (23.01.10 at 05:01 )

‘Screw ‘em. Let’s do this ourselves. ‘ – that’s a lot better than ‘Yes we can’.

If Obama is a totally false dawn, let’s hope he is the last false dawn.

#12 Posted by Dan J (23.01.10 at 15:02 )

Outrageous and egregious decision. Here’s my take on the part of the opinion discussing equal rights to express oneself based on the form of the speaker. I.e. we can’t discriminate against a speaker just because it happens to be a corporation as opposed to, for example, a living breathing human being:

http://danjanifesto.blogspot.com/2010/01/supreme-court-liberates-corporations.html

#13 Posted by Tom Degan (24.01.10 at 08:44 )

Are corporations really persons?

Do corporations think?

Do corporations grieve when a loved one dies as a result of a lack of adequate health care?

If a corporation ever committed an unspeakable crime against the American people, could IT be sent to federal prison? (Note the operative word here: “It”)

Has a corporation ever given its life for its country?

Has a corporation ever been killed in an accident as the result of a design flaw in the automobile it was driving?

Has a corporation ever written a novel that inspired millions?

Has a corporation ever risked its life by climbing a ladder to save a child from a burning house?

Has a corporation ever won an Oscar? Or an Emmy? Or the Nobel Peace Prize? Or the Pulitzer Prize in Biography?

Has a corporation ever been shot and killed by someone who was using an illegal and unregistered gun?

Has a corporation ever paused to reflect upon the simple beauty of an autumn sunset or a brilliant winter moon rising on the horizon?

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise if there are no corporations there to hear it?

Should corporations kiss on the first date?

Our lives – yours and mine – have more worth than any corporation. To say that the Supreme Court made a awful decision on Thursday is an understatement. Not only is it an obscene ruling – it’s an insult to our humanity.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

#14 Posted by jeo (24.01.10 at 13:04 )

Check out John Robb’s work on resilient communities…he’s working on a book (his second) about it, and blogging a lot on the topic. Eg:

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/01/why-a-resilient-community-network.html

#15 Posted by Mass Geoff (24.01.10 at 13:51 )

I actually heard Newt Gringrich praise the decision, saying this is a great thing for the middle class little guys. And the NPR interviewer let him get away with it without challenging his upside-down logic.

I like DYI, but when I buy a cabinet from Ikea and spend four hours assembling it, I tire of being used as slave labor. To do it ourselves, we need to be prepared to do a whole lot of slave labor before the system crumbles and we have something that works for everybody. Any volunteers?

#16 Posted by mika. (24.01.10 at 14:28 )

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

#17 Posted by Regular Reader (24.01.10 at 16:37 )

“All this does is make centralized government even less relevant to our plight as human beings.”

It certainly makes the outcome of any voting process even more purchasably meaningless – but if the govcorp has all the big guns and can pass (evidently) whatever insultingly silly laws it wants, what’s to stop it from repossessing your communal farm and outlawing your local currency because it planted a gram of terror-pot on you?

#18 Posted by rushkoff (24.01.10 at 19:13 )

Yeah, well…there is that, too.

#19 Posted by Texas (24.01.10 at 22:38 )

As a college teacher, I think one of the biggest problems is simply the invisibility of corporations: for example, it’s almost impossible to find an English or history anthology with an up-to-date essay on that topic. Life Inc. is very useful for that reason.

On a side note, if anybody knows of any good Depression-era blogs (my interest), I’d be glad to know about them.

#20 Posted by @ccziv (26.01.10 at 02:55 )

Have you read The Divine Right of Capital? What’s your take on it?

You know, it’s really true about finding (any kind of) community on the Internet. My partner and I thought we were the only ones who think dems and repubs are two sides of the same coin.

It’s really good to be here!

#21 Posted by Mark Trueblood (26.01.10 at 12:42 )

Good post and I agree with your emphasis on building a separate system.

I don’t think we’ve ever had a real representative democracy, at least since I’ve been alive (I’m 31) and SCOTUS just makes the puppet-strings more visible and numerous.

I resonate with “regular reader’s” comment above, that even creating a separate system isn’t going to do much good if the corporate government decides to start prosecuting anything that slightly deviates from the status quo.

There is also the possibility that if we should experience a real collapse, those of us who have been minding our p’s and q’s in preparation will be vulnerable to the majority of citizens who haven’t.

#22 Posted by mrtwilight23 (26.01.10 at 13:05 )

Psst. Kennedy was with the majority, your dissenting quote was from Stevens.

#23 Posted by Rob (27.01.10 at 00:35 )

Initially bothered by the decision, I’ve found the somewhat histrionic ‘end-of-democracy’ reaction some are having slightly more off-putting.

Banning certain kinds of speech/advertising because we anticipate a negative outcome – too much corporate influence – speaks not at to the constitutionality of it.

To have upheld it means we can ban certain kinds of speech from certain kinds of groups if we have “the right reasons.” I’d rather go too far in the direction of free speech than other way.

Large corporations with expansive legal teams already have numerous ways around the legislation, whereas grassroots community political organizations could [and have] easily run afoul of the laws, effectively silencing their voices.

IMHO of course, but I’ve found Glenn Greenwald’s stuff to be the most even handed on this – http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/22/citizens_united/index.html

He makes what I thought was a good point in his followup – corporate personhood seems distasteful, on its face [my opinion, not his], but – “…anyone who claims that since corporations are not persons, they have no rights under the Constitution:

Do you believe the FBI has the right to enter and search the offices of the ACLU without probable cause or warrants, and seize whatever they want?

Do they have the right to do that to the offices of labor unions?

How about your local business on the corner which is incorporated?

The only thing stopping them from doing this is the Fourth Amendment. If you believe that corporations have no constitutional rights because they’re not persons, what possible objections could you voice if Congress empowered the FBI to do these things?

Can they seize the property (the buildings and cars and bank accounts) of those entities without due process or just compensation? If you believe that corporations have no Constitutional rights, what possible constitutional objections could you have to such laws and actions?

Could Congress pass a law tomorrow providing that any corporation – including non-profit advocacy groups — which criticize American wars shall be fined $100,000 for each criticism? What possible constitutional objection could you have to that?”

All good questions, I think.

#24 Posted by mason (27.01.10 at 18:06 )

To date, your’s is still the most comprehensive & accessible commentary on our situation Doug. I can only add that most all “pitfalls” suffered by corporations can be written off or bailed out. The subsidised life can’t be all that bad either. It clearly incurs the envy of Fox, Limbaugh, the lieutenant gubernator of SC et al.

It has taken me some time to approve of my initial gut reaction to your conclusion: “Screw ‘em. Let’s do this ourselves.” Some here have expressed just how total this commitment has to be. And MrJM rightly welcomes advise on how we can maximise our efforts! These are six suggestions.

1.) Pay off all your debts ASAP and incur *no* more. Debt = Control

2.) Trade/ Barter/Network for all major Home/Vehicle Maintenance. Getting off the US dollar *forces* us to share and work with others.

3.) If you have capital to burn, buy or invest in Solar Power or in someone or something you can trust or love.

4.) Stop worrying if our kids are gonna be taskmasters or slaves. Encourage them in what matters. Tell them you’d be happy if they choose to stay home on the farm even though we expect they’ll want to strike out on their own. My 8 year old daughter still finds the later unimaginable.

5.) Don’t fear or try to prevent the collapse of the system. We can only help those who want to help themselves and others. It has always been this way.

6.) When things do begin to fall apart, we need to have plans to assist the increasing # of those who want to help themselves & others. And we need to be ready to provide guidance and support to an emergent leadership.

So sad. Obama did appear to have a soul or intellect or disposition to gather wisdom into his administration. One wonders whether it really was the first handful of corporate cash that got to him or if it was his first CIA or NSA briefing.

! Don’t laugh at me mika and ask “What’s the farking difference?” I’m sure i don’t know anymore.

-mason

#25 Posted by Eddie (28.01.10 at 06:46 )

United we stand, divided we stick our heads in the sand until the corporations have enslaved our neighbors and we’re the next sheep in the line.

Local commuities are a great start for the new world, but the old world must die first, and I’m pretty sure it will not die quietly just because we try to ignore it.

I would prefer to appeal to it’s heart and ask it to yield, but when that fails we must drive a stake through it.

#26 Posted by mason (28.01.10 at 14:25 )

Yeah. A little unity now would be nice. Asking the police and the corporations and the supreme court and the administration and the Legislature and the media and what exists of my dessicated old world heart to yield.

According to Theravada commentaries, there are five requisite factors that must all be fulfilled for an act to be both an act of killing and to be karmically negative. These are: (1) the presence of a living being, human or animal; (2) the knowledge that the being is a living being; (3) the intent to kill; (4) the act of killing by some means; and (5) the resulting death.[93] Some Buddhists have argued on this basis that the act of killing is complicated, and its ethicization is predicated upon intent.[94] Some have argued that in defensive postures, for example, the primary intention of a soldier is not to kill, but to save, and the act of killing in that situation would have minimal negative karmic repercussions.[95]

-from wiki re Ahimsa

Howard Zinn observes: War kills the sufferers and poisons the killers – turning them into sufferers. I declare jihad is over. It’s over. Disobedience for Adults and new heroes for Children.

In today’s Democracy Now,
Naomi Klein calls for a Debtor’s Revolt.
Noam Chomsky asks us to get Barak to (re)consider Martin Luther King.

What *is* to be done?
Norman O. Brown, i believe, asked if “Property” is a legitimate sphere or thing. Any ideas? Anyone?
I say it has to depart from our minds and hearts etc.
And the sooner the better

I am nearly at my wit’s end with a kind of grief.
My poor fool is dead. Undone. With him; I will keep still with my philosopher.

-mason

#27 Posted by m (28.01.10 at 17:00 )

Don’t ask what is to be done, but who will be doing it. If there is to be a “we” then it must be true in a functional sense as well as agreement on values. The next logical step after the information age is the development of a global mind. Information in itself is dead, look to the source where the answers come from.

#28 Posted by Mark (28.01.10 at 23:08 )

Not only is the concept of property questionable, lets not forget how this is applies to life itself. It’s one thing to talk about Monsanto, GMOs and such but something as simple as pet ownership can be very telling – some feel within their right to treat an animal any way they want because of that very reason. Of course there’s also human trafficking and slavery which hits very close to home, even literally.

This is not a matter of philosophy. Aside from the issue of corporatism, we have REALLY become disconnected with the natural world and each other. It’s not just life in a social sense, the fact that many may not disagree with this point but not particularly care really goes to show how far off course we are.

#29 Posted by mason (29.01.10 at 13:06 )

Thanks m and Mark!

m you have pinned it for me! The source is out there *and* in there. In this respect it is Global and highly individual….

Mark the phenomenon of our “disconnection with the natural world and each other” is certainly not *completely* the fault of corporations. Corporation is just one rather significant place or mentality with which we have absconded ourselves – [argh!] stolen and sealed ourselves away from our own face not to mention the other faces of creation.

I posted something pushing past philosophy at Doug’s Media Squat, which is terrifyingly quiet these days.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/media-squatters/message/17477

#30 Posted by Rob (30.01.10 at 01:20 )

Hmm… apparently my comment from the other day isn’t going to make it out of moderation.

Shame… the pessimistic cynic in me is still sad to find that a differing opinion doesn’t merit consideration/conversation.

Having been a fan since the days of Cyberia – Nothing Sacred and Club Zero G are probably my favorite works you’ve done – I find the ignoring of a contrary opinion here far more disappointing than I probably should.

Ah well… peace and long life, and all that kinda thing.

#31 Posted by Douglas (30.01.10 at 20:14 )

I don’t see one.

#32 Posted by mason (31.01.10 at 13:50 )

Mark are you “M” at squat or “m?”

m are you “M” at squat or markchiang888 ?

I know Doug a bit and have visited Rob’s Site.

May we all be worth of peace and long life and usefulness, their applications and the resultant blessings etc! :-)

Mark
The things i have seen my whole life concerning people and “their” animals is harrowing! But these may just be personal observations. I have never personally viewed the “Growing Fields” of the various food industries, but i have read widely concerning them. It appears recently i may have inadequately pointed to this discourse of which a sisable number of westerners are certainly aware.

If you are “M/markchiang888″ at the squat, now you will understand my initial consternation and subsequent shame there. Bear in mind i refuse to call what has happened there a “shaming.”

As before, mason.

#33 Posted by mason (31.01.10 at 14:06 )

Sometimes i don’t know who to screw or with whom to do. Each one calls ‘em or does ‘em as each one can or may. “Shine your light. shine your light on me” is one lament i pair with “Got to be an important person to be in here, honey
Got to have done some evil deed”

#34 Posted by Rob (31.01.10 at 19:13 )

Sincerest apologies for my assumption of heavy-handedness vice technological kerfuffle. The post still appears on my browser with “awaiting moderation” in italics. Odd.

In brief, and not to re-write everything, I stated I thought Glenn Greenwald had the most even discussion of the court’s decision. Bascially, that you can’t decide the constitutionality of something based on possible negative outcomes. The possibility of undue corporate influence doesn’t trump free speech.

And while corporate personhood strikes me as counter intuitive, personally, he also pointed out that if incorporated entities don’t merit protection under the Bill of Rights, then there’s nothing to prevent the government from ignoring the 4th amendment with regards to them, including non-profits, labor unions, etc.

It was a bad law that exempted media corporations, and in fact made it much more difficult for small grass roots groups to organize – as they’re without an army of lawyers to get around the regs.

Ultimately though, all this did was free up advertising, and if I took anything from Coercion – and it may not be what you intended – it’s that as wily and crafty as they may be, the effect of advertising is in our own hands. So much of the hand-wringing/end of democracy stuff strikes me as overblown.

Cheers, and again, apologies for my poor assumptions.

#35 Posted by mason (31.01.10 at 21:16 )

Rob i appreciated the video throwdown between Keynes and Hayek at your site. Maybe it’s apples and oranges, but should i be wringing my hands about that video or is the 100 years war all good fun too?

-mason

#36 Posted by Rob (31.01.10 at 21:35 )

@mason – hand wringing is, of course, entirely at your discretion. I just thought it was funny. Economic rapping? Far more creative than I might ever be.

#37 Posted by mason (31.01.10 at 22:05 )

@ Rob – Not my gift either. Very creative and darn funny. It left me anxious. I will offer that being anxious about the vid and the decision is useful. These things are neither the beginnings of the end nor the end of democracy. They are just evidence of the dying of something that had hardly been born.

#38 Posted by NingúnOtro (02.02.10 at 07:49 )

“In short, I say screw ‘em. Let’s do this ourselves.”

“Yes we can”… do this ourselves. It all depends on whether and which way we can agree, or fail to agree about what should mean “this” and what is to be understood by “ourselves”.

I mean to say… is “this” to be a one and single “optimal strategy” we should all agree to use before we start anything? Obviously, all will never agree, not even majority, so forget it if you understand it that way.

Similarly, “ourselves” is quite confusing as a terminology… all together is “ourselves”, but each on his own is “ourselves” too, and any combination of any number of citizens together, each combination of them on their own, but all/some of these combinations together… is “ourselves” too.

If we want to be able to achieve anything at all, we have to re-engineer the understanding we have/or have not about the nature of the problem at hand… in such a way that we can propose a path towards a possible solution that can be walked by any kind of citizen, for objective or subjective reasons that should be theirs and not necessarily shared with others.

The path, and the solution should be left open to individual/collective interpretation of priorities at all times. If the basic and limited logical and ethical framework behind the initiative is sound, then in the long run all will inevitably and most important voluntarily lead towards the solution we can all share, at the level of complexity we can manage.

And it will be the only viable solution, unknown and even unthinkable of today. Not to say that if you could imagine most of it today and organize a debate proposing it you would probably make yourself the laughing stock of the galaxy.

Don’t fear the power of corporations…they are strategies, and no strategy exists that can’t be countered if one knows what he wants.

Mass-media is dead… the killer application is only awaiting to be used for a right cause.

#39 Posted by mason (02.02.10 at 08:32 )

Hey Otro Hey Ningún!

These recent observations have cleared away a massive obstacle to my thinking. “This” and “Ourselves” has been set free among the stars for now, but not forgotten. Logically, what remains is “do.” You set about some lifting of “do” as well. Strangely, what you have achieved with “this” and “ourselves,” points me in a different (perhaps) direction for doing. The way seems twofold: an individual ought work upon as much of life is before him or her as befits his or her immediate ability to effect the possible. Our ability is understood and made manifest by our work and it’s achievements. In so far as we address ourselves with the neighbors and the galaxy, we have to be able to point to these things we are talking about and SEE them.

Very, very clear and appreciated NingúnOtro!

Lord save us from the killer app if some critical mass of humanity can not save us first. Or may the death of mass media be made manifest at a time propitious to the greatest good for the greatest number.

-mason

#40 Posted by Yoseph Leib (03.02.10 at 17:29 )

There’s a lot of great insight here, in the responses: What could it mean to “do it ourselves?” The limits, the incredibly frustrating limits, of what it feels like we can do independently, don’t silence the question-problem: what can we do together, once we’re so accustomed to relating to one another so cynically and distrustfully, and sensing that it’s rightfully so? To the degree that we are (I am) still concerned about the limits of our (my) personal value creation capacity, and consequent lack of power, what can we do when we don’t know what we can do at all?

#41 Posted by Yoseph Leib (03.02.10 at 17:37 )

As if to say: I personally, depend so much on the governments where I am, I honestly can’t imagine what it could mean to do what they do myself (ourself) from scratch, even though attempting to do that has been the model i’ve tried to live by for ever since I was in high school. At this stage of my life, it’s so utterly compelling to me, the fantasy that I (or somebody) could easier use the structures that have already been built to the positive ends we appreciate and aspire too, rather than exhaust ourselves (myself) trying to build better parrallel machines from scratch, machines that, as noted above, could be smashed easily by the larger monster before they’re large enough to supplant, or even appear to threaten it.

It’s really a bit of an existentially terrifying position, and gosh Doug, I do appreciate trusting your sobriety about it, but is “doing it ourselves” fully an option? To what degree?

#42 Posted by mason (05.02.10 at 13:54 )

Same with me! “Existential Terror.” You got it Yoseph. I’ve had it most of my life. But a little existential terror is good for us. We need to examine the networks in which we exist today and recognise some of the limits dwelling therein place upon our existence, our very capacity to be.
http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/about/

We don’t necessarily need “Power,” just a little Strength you know ;-) a little Endurance. A little Joy really helps too, but you know that already. All we need to do is keep our heads and hearts. The rest flows naturally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmGt2U-xTE

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